Forum: (Closed) Save biostars.org from fake and unnecessary answers
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5 weeks ago by
manojevodevo30
manojevodevo30 wrote:

Dear member,

I have serious concern regrading the comments provided by few of the moderators and members in each post. This website is full of maximum unnecessary answers.I have a humble request to few members not to write unnecessary comments on any post. Some of the suggestion provided have no connections with the question asked or sometimes few people ask questions instead of providing any clues. I feel main problem lies with the naive moderators (I don't have idea what is the qualifications required for being a moderator in Biostars). Might be they are simply master students or new phd candidate. Respected moderator, since you are a moderator that does make you eligible to write comments on any post as you like.

While answering any question, please make sure not to do so because of the students and researchers in several countries don't have proper guidance like you all have. Hence they are here to ask question from expertise. You behavior and answer may demoralize students or researcher and hence they may be afraid to ask questions in further. For few of the moderators, please keep in mind this is not your classroom nor your dinning room to make fun of any students. And i request the responsible person to recruit experience moderator. To other members, please dont believe each post blindly. That may land you in trouble.

I feel Biostarts.org is loosing its fame because of few people and if necessary steps is not taken at the earliest, this site will also be dead very soon.

(SAVE biostars.org) :)

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ADD COMMENTlink modified 5 weeks ago by zx87549.4k • written 5 weeks ago by manojevodevo30
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This website is full of maximum unnecessary answers

I don't agree with this. Biostars has been the most accessed and valued resource for bioinformatics.

few people ask questions instead of providing any clues

Asking questions is important most of the times in scenarios when:

  1. The question posted by OP is unclear or do not meet the standards of asking questions

  2. When someone needs more information (probing questions) about the problem in hand.

Everyone on biostars (NOT ONLY MODERATORS) are there to help.

I feel main problem lies with the naive moderators (I don't have idea what is the qualifications required for being a moderator in Biostars).

Here is the excerpt from FAQ section

Becoming a moderator: Active users above a certain reputation threshold are periodically promoted to moderators. You may also explicitly ask for moderation rights or suggest good candidates on the newsgroup. Inactive users that do not visit the site for extended periods of time may lose their moderation rights.

Understand that being a moderator has nothing to do with a degree. It is about dedication and willingness to keep the forum clean, to-the-point and friendly.

ADD REPLYlink modified 5 weeks ago • written 5 weeks ago by lakhujanivijay5.1k
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I'm gonna piggyback on your post. A lot of what you say is correct and I personally should pay more attention to how I respond and comment. However, the forum can do a much better job if users actually comment back how they solved things, how the answers and comments helped them, thumb up an answer that looks good and accept an answer that worked. It's a communal effort. I think that a great advantage of Biostars is that it appears on search engines (and you can search internally also) so referring back to questions should be easy and clear. Let's all keep the forum with high standards for the future.

ADD REPLYlink written 5 weeks ago by Asaf8.3k
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manojevodevo Please take an example post where you feel answers are unnecessary and fake. This would help biostar members to understand what you mean. fake answers are not good for science.

ADD REPLYlink modified 5 weeks ago • written 5 weeks ago by cpad011213k
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Hello manojevodevo!

You have not provided any evidence of your grievances and this thread has been primarily ad hominem attacks against certain moderators. Whether a moderator has acted incorrectly or not, this is not the proper way to conduct oneself on the forum.

Until you provide examples of the issues you claim, this thread will remain closed.

In any event, if you feel you have a justifiable issue with moderation on the site, I advise you to contact the site administrator rather than use this thread any further. The email has been provided in another comment.

ADD REPLYlink modified 5 weeks ago by zx87549.4k • written 5 weeks ago by Joe17k
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if you are unhappy with how mods take care of this forum or provide answers (and you rightfully can be so), I suggest you contact the site admins and clearly state them you concern/worries/questions/remarks/ ....

Posting this in the public is likely not helping anyone here. (especially not when it becomes ad hominem!)

To contact the site managers please email admin@biostars.org

ADD REPLYlink modified 5 weeks ago • written 5 weeks ago by lieven.sterck8.3k
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I think had this post been a little more respectful and had it not degenerate into ad-hominem attacks it could have served as a thread where we could have discussed why you perceive it differently than many others, and what could be done to mitigate negative impressions.

We are all willing to listen and to improve but once people call out various individuals the thread loses all the potential to be a positive and constructive avenue to discuss issues.

ADD REPLYlink written 5 weeks ago by Istvan Albert ♦♦ 84k

May I know what is "a certain reputation threshold" and who decides. Kindly note, I am not against any members or moderator. I am just curious because of my student project was cancelled because of her blind faith in comments of biostars.org. I think for being a moderator once should have a specific degree. Otherwise what is the use of higher degree, like PhD. A person should have a better I-index and H-index score. No doubt biostars is a very good platform and few of the answers here are very qood. Please invite expert only for being a moderator. Please understand, research is not marathon. Let expertise answers questions after one weeks. This will help us in producing more significant results. Rest is upto the owner of the website. Regard

ADD REPLYlink written 5 weeks ago by manojevodevo30
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I think for being a moderator once should have a specific degree. Otherwise what is the use of higher degree, like PhD

I would like to think that people have better reasons for doing a PhD than just being qualified to remove male enhancement spam from biostars :D

P.s. Your dismissive attitude towards non-PhDs is very off-putting.

ADD REPLYlink modified 5 weeks ago by Joe17k • written 5 weeks ago by 5heikki8.9k
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That aspect of the FAQ is actually out of date, there is no specific reputation threshold for moderator promotion. It is largely a holistic and subjective opinion of the existing moderator pool based on who we feel has been providing useful contributions over a period of time. In practice this usually results in said persons having a reputation of several thousand, maybe even in to 5 digits, but that is not a hard and fast requirement.

I'm not sure what you mean by your student project being cancelled. I don't know that we can have had any real effect there. You still haven't provided concrete examples of your grievances.

There is not, should not, and nor will there ever be a requirement for a specific degree, since this forum is visited by people from all sorts of backgrounds. H/I indexes are also incredibly flawed, and as BioStars is a site for learning, its very rare that you're going to have senior professors drop by to spend hours of their time moderating. We would never dream of using these metrics, and you shouldn't pay any attention to them either.

Moderators are under no obligation to even offer answers, merely to keep the forum a tidy and respectful place. It just so happens the moderators are typically the most active users, and consequently post many answers.

ADD REPLYlink modified 5 weeks ago • written 5 weeks ago by Joe17k
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5 weeks ago by
jared.andrews076.4k
Memphis, TN
jared.andrews076.4k wrote:

You seem to hold some pre-conceived notions as to the responsibilities of moderators and users of this site that aren't entirely correct.

Some of the suggestion provided have no connections with the question asked or sometimes few people ask questions instead of providing any clues.

It is very common for questions posed here to lack the necessary detail to answer them in any meaningful way. In addition, Biostars is not a coding service - we do not exist to write people's code from scratch for them. A certain amount of effort is expected, both prior to asking a question and in asking the question itself - that is the responsibility of the question asker. Often times, this responsibility is shirked or not recognized by new users, requiring us to ask users to elaborate. These requests are critical for the site to operate as intended.

Respected moderator, since you are a moderator that does make you elligible to write comments on any post as you like.

You seem to be confused as to the purpose of moderators. We are not subject "experts" by default - we're active users who regularly made good faith attempts to contribute in meaningful ways. We're responsible for ensuring the forum is clean from spam, that users adhere to a certain level of conduct, and that questions are appropriate for the venue. A degree (or lack thereof) does not affect anyone's ability to perform those tasks.

While answering any question, please make sure not to do so because of the students and researchers in several countries dont have proper guidance like you all have. Hence they are here to ask question from expertise. You behavior and answer may demoralize students or researcher and hence they may be afraid to ask questions in further. For few of the moderators, please keep in mind this is not your classroom nor your dinning room to make fun of any students.

That many moderators are some of the more active users in terms of questions answered (and therefore tend to have higher reputation) has nothing to do with the above listed duties. A diamond by our name does not mean we should be blindly trusted, but I can say with confidence that nobody here acts like their word is law nor that they have all of the answers. Most regular users do tend to answer in domains in which they have expertise. For example, I avoid questions that deal with de novo alignments or the intricacies of evolutionary tree construction, as I don't work in or know much about those subjects. On the flip side, single cell analyses, multi-omics integration, and ChIP-seq analyses are much more in my wheelhouse. You'll find that users generally answer questions with which they're familiar.

None of us treat this as our "classroom", nor do we condone or allow making fun of students. Users who do so are swiftly warned, and if necessary, punished. The only times students may be "demoralized" here is by realizing how much they still have to learn and that perhaps their "simple" analysis is more complex and time-consuming to perform properly than they originally expected. Again, that is not on the users of this site to help mitigate, particularly when high-quality answers do their best to lay out a path forward even if the question asker is clearly a novice without the necessary knowledge or background to perform the analyses in question.

Though occasionally even moderators may step out of line, we are usually quick to correct inappropriate and unhelpful comments even among ourselves.

To other members, please dont believe each post blindly. That may land you in trouble.

This is sound advice for life in general and science in particular. Believing anything, especially online, blindly is a poor idea. Posts here should be treated as guidance and advice - not law. That is common sense, and users providing answers are not to blame if their advice (even if it's poor advice) is followed blindly.

I feel Biostarts.org is loosing its fame because of few people and if necessary steps is not taken at the earliest, this site will also be dead very soon.

Site traffic has seen pretty continual growth over time. I do not foresee this site dying any time soon given the wealth of information it contains and the lack of serious alternative venues.

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