Question: How To Pronounce "De Bruijn"?
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gravatar for Daniel Standage
6.0 years ago by
Daniel Standage3.6k
Davis, California, USA
Daniel Standage3.6k wrote:

De Bruijn graphs have become a popular of late for solving genome assembly problems. However, I'm not sure if I've ever heard "de Bruijn" pronounced correctly--or even pronounced at all (I'm usually reading about it). As opposed to made-up programs or format names, de Bruijn is someone's actual name from an actual culture (Dutch perhaps?), so there should be a "correct" pronunciation, am I correct?

Here are the possibilities I've considered.

  • de BRAIN
  • de BRINE
  • de BROIN
  • de BROON

Is any of these correct, or is my Dutch that bad? :)

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ADD COMMENTlink modified 3.6 years ago by Andreas2.3k • written 6.0 years ago by Daniel Standage3.6k
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6.0 years ago by
Bert Overduin3.5k
Edinburgh Genomics, The University of Edinburgh
Bert Overduin3.5k wrote:

No offense to the non-Dutch people here, but if you're not Dutch (or Flemish or Afrikaans), you probably won't be able to pronounce this, unless you practice a lot. This is based on years and years of experience with people trying to pronounce my last name correctly .... :) The UI sound just doesn't seem to exist in many other languages ....

ADD COMMENTlink written 6.0 years ago by Bert Overduin3.5k
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When I learned Dutch, I was told to "shape your mouth as if to say the word onion, but then say ow." It helped :-)

ADD REPLYlink written 6.0 years ago by Neilfws46k

No offense taken! I'll give it my best shot. I did live met die Afrikaners for two years (Cape Town and East London), so I did pick up a few points of pronunciation. But the ui was always hard for me to remember, even when I lived there.

ADD REPLYlink written 6.0 years ago by Daniel Standage3.6k
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6.0 years ago by
Chris Evelo9.8k
Maastricht, The Netherlands
Chris Evelo9.8k wrote:

Yes, it is Dutch... And de BROIN would come closest.

You can find some information about Dutch pronunciation, including about the "ui" combination here. But I am not sure that helps a lot. Best ask a Dutch person to pronounce it for you. There is a sound files with a word with "ui" here. Try ""sluis"

Oh and the "j" is a leftover from old spelling. We would now write "bruin" (which means brown) and the j is not pronounced.

ADD COMMENTlink modified 6.0 years ago • written 6.0 years ago by Chris Evelo9.8k
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6.0 years ago by
Maastricht, the Netherlands
Andra Waagmeester3.2k wrote:

For an english speaker I would guess broin would be the closest you can get. In the Dutch language it is not uncommon to use two vowels to express one sound. There is a nice youtube film that explains this to an english audience here:

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Ui is explained at 3.22

ADD COMMENTlink written 6.0 years ago by Andra Waagmeester3.2k
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gravatar for Jan Kosinski
6.0 years ago by
Jan Kosinski1.6k
Jan Kosinski1.6k wrote:

I recently found that Google Translate has "Listen" button and it works with many names. I tested with Polish names, and it's very good.

For "de Bruijn" and Dutch as language it says something but I don't know if it's correct.

ADD COMMENTlink written 6.0 years ago by Jan Kosinski1.6k
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Well if you remove the j, it is quite good. Bruijn is old spelling, as Chris has already mentioned

ADD REPLYlink written 6.0 years ago by Andra Waagmeester3.2k

No, that's completely off I'm afraid.

ADD REPLYlink written 6.0 years ago by Neilfws46k

Yep, I agree with Andra. Without the j it sounds pretty good.

ADD REPLYlink written 6.0 years ago by Bert Overduin3.5k
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3.6 years ago by
Andreas2.3k
Singapore
Andreas2.3k wrote:

For the sake of completeness: this blog entry at genome factory, points to this recording

Andreas

ADD COMMENTlink written 3.6 years ago by Andreas2.3k

Yes, that one is perfect! :)

ADD REPLYlink written 2.8 years ago by Bert Overduin3.5k
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