Question: Did Any Of You Observe Rna Editing Or Have Ideas About The Mechanism? Idea For A Community Project?
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8.7 years ago by
Chris Evelo10.0k
Maastricht, The Netherlands
Chris Evelo10.0k wrote:

In a paper published in Science and commented on Naturenews Vivian Cheung and coworkers described how they found 10000 locations where RNA is different from what you would expect from the DNA sequence. The Naturenews comment mentions that other scientists have seen the same phenomenon. Did any of you observe that (or are you able to check?). Since a lot of people here should have related DNA and RNA sequences we might be able to do a kind of community project. For instance checking whether the phenomenon occurs in multiple species.

BTW there is an interesting comment that indicates that it the phenomenon might have other causes than RNA editing on the "Genomes Unzipped" site here.

EDIT October 11, 2011

Evidence is now starting to get published that it is just not true. See An interestung comment can be found here: However, I still think we could have done an interesting community project here.

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ADD COMMENTlink modified 8.3 years ago by Leszek4.0k • written 8.7 years ago by Chris Evelo10.0k

Joe Pickrell has a nice post at Genomes Unzipped about this paper. He discusses ways in which paralogs and splice junctions could lead to false positives in their analysis.

ADD REPLYlink modified 4 months ago by RamRS25k • written 8.7 years ago by Brad Chapman9.5k

Yes, that is the same post I mentioned. Is indeed very interesting. I will change the term "technical problem" since that might be misleading.

ADD REPLYlink written 8.7 years ago by Chris Evelo10.0k

Oops, sorry Chris -- I hadn't seen your edit before commenting.

ADD REPLYlink written 8.7 years ago by Brad Chapman9.5k

There now are several interesting comments on Joe Pickrell's post. It is worth to check back if you read it earlier.

ADD REPLYlink written 8.7 years ago by Chris Evelo10.0k
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8.7 years ago by
Boston, MA USA
Larry_Parnell16k wrote:

Nice idea - pool data from many sources and have a look. Of course, doing such may present issues of consistent methods and technology. My sequencing machine may be more error-prone than yours, for example. Just such a switch in technologies is what got the longevity GWAS study (from the USA, not that from the Netherlands) into so much trouble.

One of the critical parts of the Cheung paper is the inclusion of peptide data to verify some of the RNA editing changes exist as protein and hence would not be complications of sequencing from an RNA source (as opposed to DNA). Thus, if this were to become a community project, this same issue would also need to be addressed - meaning some peptide sequence data would be good to check the validity of RNA-DNA sequence differences.

I don't have such data, unfortunately.

ADD COMMENTlink modified 8.7 years ago • written 8.7 years ago by Larry_Parnell16k

I was thinking that we might turn the first argument around if we could show that different technologies and different datasets, maybe even different species, show the same RNA edits. But you I agree that technology issues should be addressed very carefully. I agree that protein data would add to the strength of the findings. If we have large enough sets we might even use existing (real) protein sequence data. Of course automatically translated protein sequence wouldn't help.

ADD REPLYlink written 8.7 years ago by Chris Evelo10.0k

Right, those auto-translatiopns are not helpful. However, I think much more proteomics data are available than ever.

ADD REPLYlink written 8.7 years ago by Larry_Parnell16k
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8.7 years ago by
United States
lh331k wrote:

As I remember, a couple posters from the Biology of Genome meeting came to a similar number: of the order of tens of thousands. Nonetheless, though I have not looked at these personally, I more trust Joe and my friends: most of these are due to mapping errors. In my opinion, false mapping is becoming the leading source of errors in SNP calling. It only gets worse for RNA-seq where most RNA-seq mappers have not reached the level of accuracy for reliable SNP calling, not to say discovering rare events.

On the other hand, I could not provide a convincing alternative explanation to the high validation rate using Sanger sequencing and MS. Paralogue-causing mapping errors as Joe has mentioned should be more evident given 1kb sanger reads. The authors should have noticed that.

ADD COMMENTlink written 8.7 years ago by lh331k
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8.3 years ago by
IIMCB, Poland
Leszek4.0k wrote:

I have noticed similar phenomenon in fungi I work with before I came across that paper. We sequenced genomes for a few diploid strains - they turn out to be highly homozygous. And then, for many transcripts I found apparent heterozygous SNPs that were not present in genomic sequence. So far we are unable to explain that, plus we don't have any experimental evidence.

There is little, if any, chance of incorrect mapping: i) very few paralogous regions in those genomes, ii) no introns, iii) similar results obtained using various mappers.

I haven't look so far for particular errors/editing patterns, but I think it's worth to study this phenomenon in details.

How would you confirm such cases?

ADD COMMENTlink written 8.3 years ago by Leszek4.0k
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