Question: Analysis Of Individual Gene Expression Values
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5.8 years ago by
United States
CrazyB210 wrote:

A beginner's (i.e. wet-bench trained person) question of microarray gene expression analysis -

I downloaded and extracted the "expression values" (or should I call them "signal intensity" ?) of some microarray experiments from GEO access. As I would only be looking at a handful of genes, NOT the whole genome expression, is there a free software, or a free web-based interface that allows me to plug in the "raw values" and tell me if they are statistically different or similar ? Or what would be the "correct" way of doing analyses on these raw values if no easy interface exists to expedite my analysis?


probe    HGNC    ctrl1    ctrl2    ctrl3    ctrl4    ss1    ss2    ss3    ss4
232546_at    TP73    4.76775    3.36975    4.89104    2.96765    4.15112    3.07037    4.52393    4.71372

From what I've read, it seems that I cannot DIRECTLY compare these two sets of value using the simple average(medium value) and t-test. It seems that I need to normalize these values first. Do I need to ? Which control probes should I look for to normalize the gene values? Any direction/solution will be greatly appreciated. My apology if a similar question has been raised in the past (apparently, I am so new to array analyses that I do not know how to ask/find a question).

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ADD COMMENTlink modified 5.8 years ago by Devon Ryan91k • written 5.8 years ago by CrazyB210

You cannot look at only "a handful" of genes. Differential expression analysis begins with everything on the array, then tells you what (if anything) is significant.

ADD REPLYlink written 5.8 years ago by Neilfws48k

If I understand the general premise of differential expression analyses, I think when the expression values of the genes of interest are too low, their expression could be lumped together - statistically speaking - as "no differential expression", especially if there are other genes on the array that are GROSSLY differentially expressed. In addition, I am under the impression that even if several genes in the same biological signaling/metabolic pathway are individually marginally differentially expressed, collectively they may impact the OUTPUT of the signaling/metabolic pathway significantly different. Is this correct?

ADD REPLYlink written 5.8 years ago by CrazyB210

Point 1: no. Point 2: yes.

You'll see, when you play with GEO2R, that the starting point for calculations is a matrix of probes (rows) v samples (columns). You don't discard or select anything before starting; just work through the process with all probes and see what comes out the other end.

And yes, there are additive affects in cells which frankly, we don't understand or model very well right now.

ADD REPLYlink written 5.8 years ago by Neilfws48k
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5.8 years ago by
Devon Ryan91k
Freiburg, Germany
Devon Ryan91k wrote:

If the dataset is already on GEO, then just use the GEO2R interface already on GEO. When looking at the experiment in GEO (the GSEXXXX accession number), there will usually a link near the bottom labeled "Analyze with GEO2R". Just click on that and proceed that way. It's not the most powerful way, but it can analyze the whole dataset and you can just download the results in a file that you can open in Excel (just search the resulting file for you gene(s) of interest).

ADD COMMENTlink written 5.8 years ago by Devon Ryan91k

Thanks a lot !! GEO2R provides what I am looking for.

ADD REPLYlink written 5.8 years ago by CrazyB210
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