Question: Understanding up and down regulated genes from LOG2 foldchange or foldchange
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4.3 years ago by
Whoknows640
Tehran,Iran
Whoknows640 wrote:

Hi friends

Today i was confused with a very simple problem !! How to determine up and down regulated genes from log2 values. I would like to clear this problem:

Suppose 2 gene expression values A,B (treatment):

A=10

B=15

Foldchange is  B/A => FC=1.5 or greater is Up regulated , and if the values were B=10,A=15 we'll have FC=0.66 it means all values less than 0.66 will be down regulated.

For log2-foldchange, its formula is

log2FC=Log2(B)-Log2(A)

which then all values greater than 0.5849 were be up regulated and all values less than -0.5849 (or FC =0.666) were be down regulated genes, protein or etc.

For calculating Fold change from log2 just do , Power(2, log2_Value)
 , Power(2, 0.5849)=1.5

 

 

 

 

ADD COMMENTlink modified 15 months ago by FatihSarigol100 • written 4.3 years ago by Whoknows640
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4.3 years ago by
pld4.7k
United States
pld4.7k wrote:

Here is a good read on how fold-changes are calculated: http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v32/n4s/pdf/ng1032.pdf

In your case, if a 1.5 fold change is the threshold, then up regulated genes have a ratio of 0.58, and down regulated genes have a ratio of -0.58.

log2FC = log2(B) - log2(A)

FC = 2 ^ log2FC

 

As it says in the linked article, log transformed fold changes are nicer to work with because the transform is symmetric for reciprocals. That means, log2(X) = -1 * log2(1/x), so it is much easier to understand. Either way is equivalent, but the log transform makes it more clear.

ADD COMMENTlink modified 4.3 years ago • written 4.3 years ago by pld4.7k

+1 for providing the link to the review article! :)

ADD REPLYlink written 23 months ago by Dataman260
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15 months ago by
FatihSarigol100
Durham
FatihSarigol100 wrote:

I really like the explanation on Wikipedia page:

"""In the field of genomics (and more generally in bioinformatics), fold changes are defined directly in terms of ratios. If the initial value is A and the final value B, the fold change is defined as B/A. Note that this is different to the definition described above.In other words, a change from 30 to 60 is defined as a fold-change of 2. This is also referred to as a "2-fold increase". Similarly, a change from 30 to 15 is referred to as a "2-fold decrease".In genomics, log ratios are often used for analysis and visualization of fold changes. The log2 (log with base 2) is most commonly used. For example, on a plot axis showing log2-fold-changes, an 8-fold increase will be displayed at an axis value of 3 (since 2^3 = 8)."""

And this paper: Moderated estimation of fold change and dispersion for RNA-seq data with DESeq2 https://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13059-014-0550-8

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