Question: Residue Conservation: Sequence Logo Vs Codeml Or Rate4Site
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3.7 years ago by
Pappu1.8k
Pappu1.8k wrote:

I made a sequence logo from an alignment of homologous protein sequences. I can clearly see the residue conservation in it. However I read a paper where the authors calculated dn/ds by codeml to infer the conserved residues with very low ratio. So my question is if it is worth spending time to calculate dn/ds instead of making a sequence logo which is quite fast in order to see the residue conservation. Thank you.

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3.3 years ago by
nbeveryday10
nbeveryday10 wrote:

I use Rate4Site, and it works fine for me.

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3.3 years ago by
Juke-341.1k
Sweden
Juke-341.1k wrote:

I think it is important to spend time to calculate dN/dS. A profile gives you very few information compared to a dN/dS analysis. It is largely admitted that the dN/dS analysis is reliable and informative. Many publications use this method. 

Codeml uses lot of computational ressource. You can use MapNH instead, that is really light and faster. It does a good approximation. The results are substantially the same.

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3.3 years ago by
pld4.6k
United States
pld4.6k wrote:

A sequence logo (assuming you're referring to Tom Schneider's work), and dN/dS ratio are measuring two very different features. The sequence logo is telling you the conservation of single residues, while the dN/dS ratio is telling you the ratio about selection pressures at the codon level. The sequence logo (at the amino acid residue level) does not provide any information about non-synonymous substitutions and therefore does not provide the total picture of a residue at a position.

For example I have a three amino acid peptide: ACF, I can have 16 different sequences that encode this, but a sequence logo at the amino acid level hides this information, all three residues would appear equally conserved, even if 2/3 residues are coded with the same codon while the third uses all of its codons. You miss the whole picture: the 2 residues with the same codon might be under purifying selection while the third may be under neutral/no selection.

I would do the codeml run, it is worth it if you are interested in exploring selection pressures acting on specific sites in related proteins. It will take a bit longer, but it is not a prohibitively large amount of time.

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